SEDUCING LOVERS IN A CONSERVATIVE SOCIETY: HOPING TO MOVE FROM FANTASY TO REALITY

[thesvs_09]

Hello, I am Suvil (35) and my wife is Divya (33). I work in Indian Railways, and recently have been transferred to Eastern India. I am writing my past ventures into this lifestyle (2018-23; Honestly, I would not call it that as back then I did not know even the terms 'Hotwife' or 'Cuckold' etc. But what we did could be categorized similar to this) in Misc. Forum under the title "An eerie, convoluted and eccentric case: My past mistakes and future ahead". Well, things got quite diabolical, and I filed for divorce. We have reconciled and are on very good terms in our second innings together. We evolved into good communicators, and learnt many lessons from our naive dalliances. Divya has emerged into a confident and bold lady from a very conservative woman earlier. I have researched into this fetish a lot since then. Let's get to the points quickly:

Problems/Concerns:
1. Since, it is a tier II town in India, it is pretty conservative. There is no concept of open marriage, bull, hotwife, BDSM, etc. and everything falls under cheating. There are no bars, clubs or even online local groups for this or any sexual activity. In fact, even casual sex is just non-existent. For sex, either you need to have wife/girlfriend or you go to a prostitute, which is illegal, full of scams and risky as there are no health checkups involved.
2. From point 1, I assume whatever we do, if any, will be simply cheating by society standards. The problem is it is not taken well by society, and can quickly rise to a scandal (given the public administrative post I hold in Railways). Since, Divya would actually be doing sex, she may have to suffer wrath of moral mongers. The families of both sides would never understand. And to top the problems, we have a baby.
3. Our marriage has already reached to the brink of divorce. Families were not happy. Another scandal will basically throw us out of the family.

But I am an engineer. We solve problems. I am up for a challenge.

What have I and Divya discussed so far:

1. She is going to be a confident attractive lady in this new place. She will dress modern, slightly revealing by our standards. She is to join some society/volunteer group or NGO, and will be an outgoing personality. This will surely attract a lot of random stares, and potentially many perverts/predators. But along the way, some one can be a good man, who can fulfil/play the role of a bull. However, it would be extremely difficult to explain him such concept, and as people here are wired to do sex only after having feelings, it can get difficult for us/me.

2. She was a teacher in our previous location, but had to quit the job to be here. She is going to teach private tuition to 2 children (12 & 14) in our neighbourhood. Their mother runs a home kitchen/tiffin business, which feeds under-privileged school students of surrounding area. 3 boys volunteer for tiffin delivery, and few aunties help in making food. Divya is going to ask to volunteer for some help too. It is good work. But I have a hidden motive - One of the delivery boy looks decent, shy, and good-hearted person. May be he can be a good paramour. I talked to Divya about seducing him, and she brushed it off laughingly.

What have we not discussed so far:

1. Honestly speaking, I have not 'explicitly' asked/suggested Divya to have sex with some other person, or take a lover. We just talk about seducing a man or flirting as a play, and she likes that her boldness/promiscuous behaviour turns me on. She also likes that the new freedom and confidence to live increases her love for me (before marriage she says she lived like a caged parrot and was under-confident due to her skin color. She is slightly more darkish brown to her mother's likings).

2. I have not told her about such fetishes/terms/lifestyle concepts, and since there are no corresponding terms in Hindi, she does not know them. It would be hard for her to understand that I want to be in the same room while she is having sex with her new lover/friend. Especially since when at one time it almost came to that point, I exploded violently, and we almost got divorced. To my defence, it was "partial cheating". However, I think I have matured now (so has Divya - she is now more vigilant to predators/manipulators), having done counselling as well as studying in and outs of such lifestyle, I think I will handle it better. [Divya can read English, but is slow reader. It discourages her. I have told her about my writings on this website, and she has read just 2 updates of my Misc. forum post in 14 Days].

Earlier I was going to update about our new adventures (if any, but I will push for it certainly - that is my secret 2025 resolution) in my original post in the Misc. forum, but I think it will take time to complete that story till 2023 because there I am writing it detailed with dialogues.

Why I am starting this post now, and what I am going to do:
Tomorrow is a harvest festival "Lohiri/Makar Sankranti" in India. This marks the start of holy baths of Kumbh Mela at Sangam (confluence of rivers Ganges and Yamuna), Prayagraj (world's largest gathering - This year in 1.5 months, government expects 400 Million tourists/people at Prayagraj. Yes, 400 Million. Not a typo.) Anyways, Divya is going to start her volunteer work at kitchen from today evening as the mother (Pratibha is her name I believe. We call her aunty) requested all her workforce to prepare 500 tiffin in one night, and send it to Kumbh Mela for the under-privileged by train tomorrow. So, they are putting an all-nighter making delicious food. That young boy will also be there.

I have challenged Divya to initiate some small talk with him, and get his WhatsApp number. It is a challenge as there will be around 25 people, and technically Divya doesn't need to talk to him at all and cannot do so without people noticing. He will surely not initiate anything as it is not a party where you go for flirting and picking up a girl/boy. Let's see if she succeeds. She went pretty confidently that is for sure!

So, this is what I was thinking I can do. I can put Divya in some increasing sensual tasks, and her new bold demeanor would take it as a challenge. Meanwhile I would be easing my fantasies to her. I know this may take months, but in real life I have to tread lightly (I will have to vet some person personally for her safety before challenging her for anything). I hope to get some creative suggestions and criticism of my plan (all are welcome).

[wulfenus]

A compelling tale!

[BrunetteLover]

Do they have strippers there? Working as a stripper is a great place for her to start. Can you carry in India?

[thesvs_09]

1. No, there are no strippers/18+ pubs etc. in our town. [I think legal strip clubs are not there in whole of India, or they may be in some posh areas of Mumbai/Delhi/Bangalore. I am not sure. But all these cities are more than 1100km or 700mi from my location.] In fact, there are not even any good restaurant/hotel that serves alcohol/wine in the vicinity. Alcohol/Sex is simply a taboo topic at least on this part of the country. [In my gated railways society, even non-vegetarian food are frowned upon, though allowed. Alcohol is strict no inside the colony.]

2. I think I somewhat miscommunicated when I said Divya is bold. Boldness is a relative term I guess. Here, revealing outfit of Divya just means saree with sleeveless blouse, that too sometimes. Anything thing sleeveless is pretty bold for Divya. She is very shy/conservative in public otherwise. She does not dresses like some Bollywood actresses or Insta models. She will never.
Also, when I say she is confident - That means she can now strike/initiate a "small talk" about weather, family, some cricket game, health with opposite gender without me being present or helping. She has never by herself talked to anyone in flirting/double-meaning manner in public space/party etc. But this is what I encourage her to do.

Update: I picked up my wife and daughter from the neighborhood home kitchen. As expected, Divya did not even talk to that guy let alone get his number. She says she was mostly in the kitchen making food, and the guy was at the roof managing packing materials. When she was out of the kitchen, she was taking care of Sukanya (our daughter), so she did not have any time whatsoever. I had sent Sukanya in hope that the guy(s) will play with the child, and in turn, may talk with Divya or vice-versa. But with Sukanya there, Divya was completely in mother mode.

[Coolcalm]

I love your adventures and can’t wait to see how this new move will shape up!

[BrunetteLover]

Can you carry in India? I have seen and heard all kinds of wild things from friends who have gone there. Scenes that have so many people, most of us would consider it totally out of control and dangerous. I would be very concerned for her safety. Maybe you should wait until you can visit the US or go to a club in the Islands.

[MatureCouple]

... I had sent Sukanya in hope that the guy(s) will play with the child, and in turn, may talk with Divya or vice-versa. But with Sukanya there, Divya was completely in mother mode.

You should get someone to take care of Sukanya so Divya can go on the prowl.

Apparently Divya is okay with taking a much younger lover... how young?

[Desiplayer]

Hello, I am Suvil (35) and my wife is Divya (33). I work in Indian Railways, and recently have been transferred to Eastern India. I am writing my past ventures into this lifestyle (2018-23; Honestly, I would not call it that as back then I did not know even the terms 'Hotwife' or 'Cuckold' etc. But what we did could be categorized similar to this) in Misc. Forum under the title "An eerie, convoluted and eccentric case: My past mistakes and future ahead". Well, things got quite diabolical, and I filed for divorce. We have reconciled and are on very good terms in our second innings together. We evolved into good communicators, and learnt many lessons from our naive dalliances. Divya has emerged into a confident and bold lady from a very conservative woman earlier. I have researched into this fetish a lot since then. Let's get to the points quickly:

Problems/Concerns:
1. Since, it is a tier II town in India, it is pretty conservative. There is no concept of open marriage, bull, hotwife, BDSM, etc. and everything falls under cheating. There are no bars, clubs or even online local groups for this or any sexual activity. In fact, even casual sex is just non-existent. For sex, either you need to have wife/girlfriend or you go to a prostitute, which is illegal, full of scams and risky as there are no health checkups involved.
2. From point 1, I assume whatever we do, if any, will be simply cheating by society standards. The problem is it is not taken well by society, and can quickly rise to a scandal (given the public administrative post I hold in Railways). Since, Divya would actually be doing sex, she may have to suffer wrath of moral mongers. The families of both sides would never understand. And to top the problems, we have a baby.
3. Our marriage has already reached to the brink of divorce. Families were not happy. Another scandal will basically throw us out of the family.

But I am an engineer. We solve problems. I am up for a challenge.

What have I and Divya discussed so far:

1. She is going to be a confident attractive lady in this new place. She will dress modern, slightly revealing by our standards. She is to join some society/volunteer group or NGO, and will be an outgoing personality. This will surely attract a lot of random stares, and potentially many perverts/predators. But along the way, some one can be a good man, who can fulfil/play the role of a bull. However, it would be extremely difficult to explain him such concept, and as people here are wired to do sex only after having feelings, it can get difficult for us/me.

2. She was a teacher in our previous location, but had to quit the job to be here. She is going to teach private tuition to 2 children (12 & 14) in our neighbourhood. Their mother runs a home kitchen/tiffin business, which feeds under-privileged school students of surrounding area. 3 boys volunteer for tiffin delivery, and few aunties help in making food. Divya is going to ask to volunteer for some help too. It is good work. But I have a hidden motive - One of the delivery boy looks decent, shy, and good-hearted person. May be he can be a good paramour. I talked to Divya about seducing him, and she brushed it off laughingly.

What have we not discussed so far:

1. Honestly speaking, I have not 'explicitly' asked/suggested Divya to have sex with some other person, or take a lover. We just talk about seducing a man or flirting as a play, and she likes that her boldness/promiscuous behaviour turns me on. She also likes that the new freedom and confidence to live increases her love for me (before marriage she says she lived like a caged parrot and was under-confident due to her skin color. She is slightly more darkish brown to her mother's likings).

2. I have not told her about such fetishes/terms/lifestyle concepts, and since there are no corresponding terms in Hindi, she does not know them. It would be hard for her to understand that I want to be in the same room while she is having sex with her new lover/friend. Especially since when at one time it almost came to that point, I exploded violently, and we almost got divorced. To my defence, it was "partial cheating". However, I think I have matured now (so has Divya - she is now more vigilant to predators/manipulators), having done counselling as well as studying in and outs of such lifestyle, I think I will handle it better. [Divya can read English, but is slow reader. It discourages her. I have told her about my writings on this website, and she has read just 2 updates of my Misc. forum post in 14 Days].

Earlier I was going to update about our new adventures (if any, but I will push for it certainly - that is my secret 2025 resolution) in my original post in the Misc. forum, but I think it will take time to complete that story till 2023 because there I am writing it detailed with dialogues.

Why I am starting this post now, and what I am going to do:
Tomorrow is a harvest festival "Lohiri/Makar Sankranti" in India. This marks the start of holy baths of Kumbh Mela at Sangam (confluence of rivers Ganges and Yamuna), Prayagraj (world's largest gathering - This year in 1.5 months, government expects 400 Million tourists/people at Prayagraj. Yes, 400 Million. Not a typo.) Anyways, Divya is going to start her volunteer work at kitchen from today evening as the mother (Pratibha is her name I believe. We call her aunty) requested all her workforce to prepare 500 tiffin in one night, and send it to Kumbh Mela for the under-privileged by train tomorrow. So, they are putting an all-nighter making delicious food. That young boy will also be there.

I have challenged Divya to initiate some small talk with him, and get his WhatsApp number. It is a challenge as there will be around 25 people, and technically Divya doesn't need to talk to him at all and cannot do so without people noticing. He will surely not initiate anything as it is not a party where you go for flirting and picking up a girl/boy. Let's see if she succeeds. She went pretty confidently that is for sure!

So, this is what I was thinking I can do. I can put Divya in some increasing sensual tasks, and her new bold demeanor would take it as a challenge. Meanwhile I would be easing my fantasies to her. I know this may take months, but in real life I have to tread lightly (I will have to vet some person personally for her safety before challenging her for anything). I hope to get some creative suggestions and criticism of my plan (all are welcome).

Being an Indian, I can relate to this …share similar path how we how we got started .Great to hear your story and experience..keep updating
Wishing more of our community be opened minded

[thesvs_09]

Can you carry in India? I have seen and heard all kinds of wild things from friends who have gone there. Scenes that have so many people, most of us would consider it totally out of control and dangerous. I would be very concerned for her safety. Maybe you should wait until you can visit the US or go to a club in the Islands.

Yes, India is what people call "an organized chaos". It is crowded, but people mind their own business (except from staring problem which unsettles some Westerners, not a problem for us though). It is mostly safe if one is slightly alert and aware of the neighborhood.
Regarding an extra layer of safety, we live in a big gated railways colony, which is actually a township in itself with over 20k inhabitants, where I am second in-charge of the civil administration with Railway Police reporting to me. Divya will play inside colony only as outside town is small, and we don't know anybody there, and there are no places for such things to meet new people.

... I had sent Sukanya in hope that the guy(s) will play with the child, and in turn, may talk with Divya or vice-versa. But with Sukanya there, Divya was completely in mother mode.

You should get someone to take care of Sukanya so Divya can go on the prowl.

Apparently Divya is okay with taking a much younger lover... how young?

Sukanya is 6. At this age, Sukanya can start a conversation with anybody specially in party/wedding/get together, which helps Divya in getting to meet/talk to new people. Divya alone usually keeps herself reserved to her women friends or known acquaintance. Though I am encouraging Divya to open up more, and she is positively responding, it will take time to shed off her inherent introvert nature.

Regarding age of future lovers, I have not talked to her about this, but she usually have no qualms about age. Currently, our setting is only about befriending someone, flirt some and just be sexy in general. I have not even told her to have sex with someone or take a lover. That is just what I want down the line.
About general personality of Divya: Once Divya knows a person for sometime, and gets comfortable around them, she can get very open and wild. In conservative society like our town, a girl/woman initiating a talk or trying to befriend you is considered as 'she is interested in you OR she likes you', and if woman is flirting it means 'she is suggestive/open for further events'. Then, any interested male will take a lead, and Divya will follow. She is "I will try it at least once" type of person to all suggestions given by her friends. So, a good friend of her can make her do wonders. The thing is it is very difficult to get to be her friend and develop this kind of comfortability. This is what I am trying to do (at least for now) - make her confident enough to have more opposite gender friends. I just have to ensure that she does not flirt/befriends with a wrong predator type person. I do not want someone to take advantage of her or try to break our family. She has a caring, trustworthy (only if you become her friend) and a mild submissive side, which can be vulnerable to manipulators. This is why all her prowls will be inside the colony under my supervision, and I will properly vet every potential friend/lover.

My observation is that only college going students (Age 18-23) usually have some courage to initiate any conversation with her. Any older person above age 30 either does not care, is married, or they know she is the boss's wife so they fear and keep a safe distance.

[MatureCouple]

To me it seems that Akash was the perfect man to have a sexual relationship with Divya, since it appeared they were doing very intimate things (naked massages, Akash licking her EVERYWHERE... and the dining room escapade where he jerked off). Divya seemed very comfortable with him, and shared many intimate thoughts with him. I think he would've been a very good threesome candidate.

Too bad he is out of the picture. Is it possible to bring him back?

[thesvs_09]

Honestly speaking Akash did spoil me for choices. He happened suddenly, we were not looking for it, neither knew anything about this type of lifestyle. In a way, I am now trying to replicate what we had with Akash. Akash adored and cared for Divya, all the while being a friend and an advisor (on erotic matters) to me respectfully. He had a good heart. He used to do sensual things randomly and wholeheartedly, but never took them to sexual or vulgar level.
We have not talked with Akash more than 10 times in these 6 years or so. He is a soldier now, and was deployed in far North-East border of India with China. It will be almost impossible for him to be here, or us to go to his military station/cantonment.

Regarding threesome, yes Akash could be a safe candidate. However, I don't think either of them will agree to it, especially Divya. Divya and his relationship was pretty unique. What they used to do looked KamaSutra level erotica from outside, but they never even mentioned any sexual intent. When I look back, it maybe the reason why Divya was so comfortable around him. Akash revered Divya as goddess. Divya liked him as a younger brother-in-law, with whom you can (theoretically) be playful without crossing a sacred line.

I am trying to find someone who is good-hearted, fun and safe like Akash, but is slightly more pushy in demanding or persuading for sex (of course with consent). Prashant Jadeja was definitely persuasive, but he was strange, with not-so-good intentions. Divya calls him a troubled (possibly depressed) soul, to me he was total scamster/scammer.

PS1: I just remembered Akash is getting married this year in November. He is in love/NRE with his fiance, all the more reason nothing can happen between him and Divya now. Maybe they can replicate some past things, if Divya or us go to his wedding.
PS2: Akash did spice up our sexual life too. We now incorporate food play, massages, licking to our foreplay pretty regularly.
PS3: Regarding food play, we have experimented many things. But I humbly suggest not to use Apple Cider Vinegar on body to lick it afterwards. Pretty stupid erratic taste.

[MatureCouple]

You should reach out to Akash to come for a visit before he gets married. If things are let to transpire naturally, you may get your hotwife. I'm betting Akash is aching to fuck Divya, and regrets not doing so when he had a chance.

[rohan094]

We're very new to this but my wife is Indian and I hear lots of things about the way things are over there. We live in the UK so she gets to be a lot more open about her desires than she would in her country of birth.

[thesvs_09]

Good evening,
I don't know if I should directly tell her that I want her to be a hotwife or just have sex with at least one person (preferably in my presence) or else I should manage things in background and let her decide by herself (I will encourage her but not tell/request her to do anything. It should come to her naturally). I prefer second option. But I am open to listening pros and cons of both options from the experienced ones.

Past few days, I hinted Divya that it would be very hot (to me, but I did not say it explicitly) if people see her as a sex goddess. We kind of played a "Hall Pass Game". It is a simple guessing that game goes like this: We mention a city on the card (or sometimes distance/area) and ask other person to write three names (the one who you would like to talk to/be friend with and the other who you would like to have dinner with; third with whom you can spend a night/sleep with). It could be anyone. We have to guess all three persons correctly. I raised the winning bet for her, and she really wanted to win. The trick to win is don't write celebrity names, and put names that other person knows, but not enough to guess whether you want a dinner date or spend a night or just be friends. e.g. Let's suppose for Mumbai card, I put name of my Boss's wife (she works there), my college friend and a Bollywood actress - For her, it becomes easy to guess that I would like to sleep with the actress and have dinner date with my friend. Selection of areas is alternately. She selected New Delhi. And she won first set. For my turn, I selected our PSU Town, present residence. More than winning, I was interested in data collection (the Zuck way!). I did some treachery and put Divya's name 3 times (of course, I don't want her to know about my interests in the colony. Risky stuff!). She had put 3 different names. Suvil (=SV) and Divya (=DV)

SV: Guess baby. Are you not done ?
DV: One minute. You know whom you want. You have been observing ladies around here. I am not like you, I have to think carefully.

Several minutes later!

DV: I am done. Guess.
SV: That young delivery boy must be there. I forgot his name.
DV: Haha...you are mesmerized by him. But nope. Only 2 guesses remaining.
SV: The boy you are tutoring.
DV: What ? Nope.
SV: Really, don't you want to be friends with him ?
DV: He is already my friend.
SV: Don't you want a dinner date with him ?
DV: He cannot cook and is just a student with no money. How can he take me to dinner ?
SV: But you can take him to dinner. The world is changing. You are earning too.
DV: Hmm....I guess so. I thought the question was that with whom you will say yes to dinner date if he asks. It should be theoretically possible. I thought my student will never ask me. Anyways, you are losing mister. Guess correctly at least one to be in the game, because I will guess yours. I know you.
SV: We will see. Hmm... are those persons known to me ? They must be real and present inside the colony.
DV: Yes baby they are very much real.
SV: Oh... Is he my boss, the chairman of the company ?
DV: No way!
SV: So, you don't want to sleep with my boss ?
DV: Fuck off! You lost.
SV: Show me.
DV: - First one is Shreyas (father of her student), Rajesh (our new gardener) and Prateek (who works in my office as an HR, and had picked us up from the railway station on the very first day).
SV: Very interesting. You want to go to dinner date with father of your student ? It is because he has money.
DV: Nope. I want dinner date with Rajesh. He has a vegetable farm and once invited me, actually us, to his home where he will make us dinner from pesticide free, fully organic vegetables. I will go to dinner with him.
SV: May be we should go to dinner with him. Haha... But then, you want to sleep with Shreyas. Amazing.
DV: (blushing) Not amazing. There were no good options, and this was a bad question.
SV: Why sleep with Shreyas though ? You took 10 minutes for 3 names, you must have thought something.
DV: Don't know. There are no good choices. Unlike you, I do not roam around and stare at boys thinking if they will have sex with me.
SV: I also don't drool for the boys. It is the women, MILFs,....
DV: Haha... Stop. I got it.
SV: So, you only want friendship with Prateek. Out of the 3, Prateek was better to sleep with.
DV: Oh... But Prateek is not my friend. I have only met him once, never talked to him. How can I sleep with him ?
SV: But the question simply said with whom you would can spend a night. It doesn't mention that he/she has to be a friend to begin with.
DV: Oh.... But there was a friendship question. I thought questions were in escalating order - friendship, dinner, sex.
SV: Questions are independent. You are just over-analyzing. Anyways, that means you are open to open pants for Prateek.
DV: Haha...What ? That is such a crude remark. I am not open to anyone.
SV: Except Shreyas.
DV: Except you.
SV: Of course I am always there. But Shreyas. Why was he picked up ?
DV: Hmm... Not sure. Among men here, he looks more stable, mature, talks slowly and is quite respectful. Also, he is experienced.
SV: Experienced ?
DV: He has 2 children.
SV: But he must be in 50s.
DV: Nope. Probably late 40s. You are very interested in Shreyas.
SV: Am I ? I think you are. You are even blushing. Your eyes are beaming. Your breaths are saying "Oh my Shreyas"
DV: Hahahaha... Fuck off!
SV: I may have to inform your student and his mother about your naughty intentions.
DV: I have no such intentions. On the other hand, let me guess your 'intentions'. First, Shilpi (my Office Assistant), Radhika (my other Office Assistant, though married) and our milkmaid.
SV: All wrong!
DV: No way. I don't think there are other girls. Are there ? Show me!
Shows her the card.
DV: Oh...hello mister! What is this ? You cheated.
SV: I did not. The Game never said you cannot put your name. We had to put names of persons who are present in the colony. You are here too, my love. I am here too, you know!
DV: Oh! Don't guilt trip me. Hmmm.... I did not think of this way. We always play with random cities. I could have put your name for sex question.
SV: No worries! I guess Shreyas could be good too. He is "experienced".....
DV: Haha..... But you still cheated. Even if you put my name for sex, why is my name for friendship. I am already your friend!
SV: Yes you are. But question said whom you would like to be friend with ? It does not mean that you have to necessarily make new friend. You can also remain friends with your friends. (I had to blabber something, she looked condescending. She had took the game seriously.)
DV: What stupid logic is this ?
SV: Think with open mind.
DV: Nope. You simply cheated, and now just cannot defend yourself. I want my reward. I won fair and square.
SV: I am not denying you your reward.
DV: Good!
SV: Now, for the night, what should we do ?
DV: (Blushing) Sleep peacefully. What do you have in mind ?
SV: I was thinking to increase my experience too.
DV: Hahaha.... Sorry babe, not a favorable day for any increase.
SV: Oh.... then let's just practice for fun.


Shreyas is an interesting entrant. Didn't think of him. I have only met him once for 5 minutes. But I guess, I have to collect data about him too. Also, I guess she did not reject Prateek too. He works in my office. But problem is I don't think he lives inside the colony. He is a local.

[thesvs_09]

1. Akash contacted me for tickets of any train that goes to Maha Kumbh at Prayagraj. But seeing too much rush and crowd (100+ Million people took holy Ganga dip on 28 and 29th Jan, an auspicious day), I advised him not to go. Guess we won't be seeing him till his marriage. That chapter is kind of permanently closed.

2. Shreyas and his wife have a tumultuous marriage. They live like roommates. Once their sons go to college, they may probably separate/divorce. They have some financial problems too regarding his wife's kitchen expenses and her general philanthropy. Shreyas will probably join a ADV bikers group and travel around the Himalayas in future. [I joined a bicycling group few days back, whose Shreyas is a long term member. During general talks and gossips from others have provided me this info. It will not be possible for me to become his friend as I am his boss's boss. He talks to me too formally.]

Divorces in India are messy. I do not want to get involved in their drama, and will not encourage Divya becoming too close to this family. Looks like all my leads come to a dead end. This fantasy/fetish requires way too much patience. As nothing much is happening at present, may be I should update on my past shenanigans on the Misc forum.

[MatureCouple]

Too bad about Akash... but you should never close that chapter, he seems to be very intriguing. Are you going to his wedding? Maybe meet up with him just before the wedding?

What about Divya and Shreyas... sounds like that could be a possibility?

[thesvs_09]

1. Yes, Akash will always be our friend for he is a really good person. Hence, I will not say it is 100% closed. However, from talks of last few years, Akash have grown up. I guess his boyish innocence and impulse have gone. He is now more mature with words as well as manners (Army discipline may also be a reason), and his young charm of a teen boy have been transformed into a gentleman like aura. Time really flies! I will try to go to wedding myself. But more importantly, I will persuade Divya to go even if I cannot. This time however, I think Divya will have to initiate things with Akash , that too very carefully because we do not want any trouble with his future married life.

2. I had jokingly talked about Divya going to a tour. {She likes bike tours; inside cars she gets nausea after few hours}. I had started this topic as I anticipated Shreyas name {He tours on his ADV bike - RE Himalayan and Benelli TRK} will come. I was correct. Divya is not liking him a bit - possibly influenced by his wife and Divya's employer's opinions. She says he is not a good family man and not a good father. But interestingly, Shreyas' child Naman (his home name), whom Divya is teaching Economics, is having a positive impact on Divya. Mainly because he is a good student. I have to open other perspectives for Divya too (but before that I have to know for sure if Naman is 18+ or not.) Anyways, I don't think anything with Naman can happen because of job nature (she is his teacher) and Naman's mother is vindictive fierce lady. That lady may run a philanthropic kitchen, but damn she is not good by nature. Be careful Suvil. {Or, take it as a challenge Suvil.}

Now, a question - Do people have a type ? I never believed so. But looks like Divya is more intrigued by teen boys. Especially naive and virgin ones!

[thesvs_09]

Today is the last day of my Holi (Indian festival of colors and joy) holidays, and I have enjoyed it thoroughly. Now, to the topic

1. Divya has been busy with Sukanya (now that she has started going to school and learning alphabets/math) and tutoring. I have been busy in job too. So, physically, we are pretty vanilla couple. Mentally (specially me or probably only me), I am constantly scheming and fantasizing things. It is a different feeling, fairly delirious.

2. I did convince Divya to celebrate in the non-family section too [The township organizes Holi celebration in two places/ground - One where family and older people or very young kids play. This one is serene, dry colors, etc. The non-family is where teen boys, few girls, college brats, etc. play with mud, wet colors, chemicals, loud music, people forcefully tearing off clothes, water guns and canons, cannabis powered milk, and other wild things happen here. Some miscreants are also always there, who may sometimes harass women. In BDSM terms, going there is Consensual Non-Consensual type thing. You have to be ready all type of things, some may be borderline illegal, and you may not like it. I was though confident that no one will dare to do that much to us. Being one of the most powerful men inside the township has to have few perks.] after our stint in family section. I will stick to the parts relevant here, but we did enjoy. For me, it was back to college days Holi. For Divya, it was a wild first. Someone spiked our cold drink with Bhang (a certain preparation of Marijuana). It was first for Divya too, and she started laughing for a good 2 hours. Her energy was contagious. My aim of going there was to observe which boys from our colony dare to be frank with Divya, who have hots for her etc.
While my major focus was on college boys, many of whom did typical boys stuff but not too much, a certain old man was being too clingy to Divya to uncomfortable levels. He was also trying to give Divya Bhang milk, and persisted on even after Divya's rejection. Ultimately I had to step in. He went away for half an hour. Then, came back with kids water gun. Intermittently, he was taking a water shot at Divya's assets from a short distance when he thought nobody is noticing. Divya looked fed up with his antics, yet was enjoying the attention. The angst baby!

So, who was this man ? A stationery shop owner - Divya calls him 'Kaka' (means 'uncle'). From him Divya bought books and other school items for Sukanya. She says he is a respected family man, lives on the far side of township. His shop is at least 35 years old. He is in mid 50s. Divya says He is an honorable person. My first impression of him was otherwise. Apparently, Divya had to go to his shop 7-8 times since January because he has scarcity of required books [Or may be he creates artificial scarcity to call Divya to his den, like a true predator. I am probably seeing too many crime dramas!]. I have also gone to his shop for buying HB, 4B, 2H pencils (why the hell six year old students need such different shades of pencils ? Such unnecessary costs these schools create.), but I did not remember him that much. But one thing I noticed was there was a soothing 1950s-60s Hindi playing in the shop.

3. Past few days I wrote 3 updates of my past story (uploaded one), and talked extensively with Divya about this kink, her past lovers, what she would like way forward and other things. She says safety and respect of her family and herself comes first above all kinks. By this extension, any chance with Naman is just over, as he is her student. She says she likes him, and when I challenged her to seduce him, she says it is not a challenge. According to her, Naman will be eating her pussy within two weeks if she wants to. I liked her confidence. But she says she won't do it - there is some teacher and student protocol to follow.
I asked her to describe few lovers and potential candidates in few words and the result is:
Akash - Charming, Cool, Young Leonardo di Caprio, Talking eyes
Jadeja - Typical man, Companion, Conspirator,

Shreyas - Toxic, Attractive, Nonchalant
Naman - Studious, Shy, Nerdy
Kaka - Talkative, Nostalgic, Family man

She was very intrigued that I see potential in Kaka. She says she never thought about it though he is the one from male gender with whom she had maximum hours of talks since we came here in January.
SV: Hours of talk baby ?
DV: Probably yes. I told you he is quite talkative.
SV: What talks ?
DV: Mostly gibberish about his times. Old ways of living. You know he is living here since birth, and has not travelled much.
SV: May be you can take him to places!
DV: Huh ?
SV: Places of dreams, lust and fantasies.
DV: Shut up. You have such a twisted mind. How come you see everyone enjoying me ? Do you not get jealous ?
SV: Yes. I get jealous. But I do not see them enjoying you, I see you being happy and enjoying them. There is a difference, baby. Difference of philosophy, if you will.
DV: Anyone with me will always be happy. I am hot, no ?
SV: Yes. For me, them being happy is an extra in this setting, not a pre-requisite. My fantasy is you being hot, enjoying life and sex, and me enjoying you and this setting. They are just tools, and replaceable.
DV: To some tools, one can get attached also. That attachment can create memories, emotions and nostalgia. Like you and your father's Royal Enfield bike.
SV: Hmm...
DV: And Kaka with his 1970s tape recorder/radio. And the songs, pretty good ones! My father used to hum them.
SV: This Kaka is an interesting character.
DV: I actually did not find anything distinctive with him. Just a normal old guy with a shop, and big tongue.
SV: May be you should see if that tongue can do other things besides talking.
DV: Haha... How can you include perverseness in common talks ? You are a gifted dude baby.
SV: Haha... One last question ? Do you think he can get a boner ?
DV: What ? I don't know. He is not that old. After which age men get done with their dick ?
SV: There is no specific age, depends on a lot of factors, and varies person-to-person. For me, it will be after death at the age of 108.
DV: Haha... person-to-person. Interesting. Kaka is typical married guy, probably stopped having sex years ago. I guess he is done.
SV: You can verify, if you like.
DV: How ? Like ask him - Kaka, show me your hard dick. Haha...
SV: He will just show you dick then. Making it hard will be on you.
DV: Oh I see. That could be easy.
SV: Remember he is not some virgin testosterone filled guy, who can get hard by you showing few inches of cleavage. He will take time.
DV: Hmm.... Interesting. I have other tricks up my sleeve baby apart from cleavage.
SV: Show me. I want to check the efficacy of your methods, and help you improve it. So, that it works and you do not get embarrassed in front of your Kaka.
DV: Haha... I can handle myself. Thank You. And he is your Kaka too. You are not some young boy also. You are same as my age.
SV: Of course, he is Kaka to me also. I said 'your' Kaka in a way that he is yours.
DV: Fuck off! He is not mine. (Thinking and contemplating) Not yet!
SV: I liked the confidence. How long will it take you to ride him ?
DV: What ?
SV: You gave Naman 2 weeks before he is under your spell.
DV: Naman is under my spell already. You are not properly listening to me baby.
SV: Oh I see. [Actually I did not fully understand what she meant by me not listening properly. But I did not probe further as it had potential to drift conversation from sexual topic to nagging about me, and my disregard for husband duties.] So, how much time for Kaka ?
DV: I don't know. He looks proper religious family man.
SV: I don't think he is. He was wild during celebrations. And doing inappropriate things.
DV: Inappropriate ? How ironic! And we are here conspiring against him to get him sex. Is this righteous behaviour ?
SV: Conspiring against ? We are conspiring for him, baby. And I was just saying he was not being too, what do you say, friendly and modest ?
DV: He did say sorry afterwards. He said he was under the influence of Bhang. And Whiskey.
SV: When did you talk to him ? I was always in the vicinity.
DV: On WhatsApp. He wished Happy Holi, with mild apology.
SV: He has your WhatsApp number. Really ?
DV: No. I have his WhatsApp number. There is a difference, baby. Difference of philosophy, if you will.
SV:
DV: I am going to prepare dinner.
SV:
DV: Enjoy your so called 'angst'.
SV: Give me your phone for a minute.
DV: (Walking towards Kitchen) I don't think you can read all the chats in a minute.
SV: Chats ? All the chats ?
DV: Told you to listen more carefully. Recall that he is talkative. Bye!

Damn, my Divya is getting good at this. I have to learn more about this Kaka. Lucky for me, he has been here in this township all his life. And sells books. So, almost everyone in the office who has been working for a few years, and have children, must know him.

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I think I forgot to mention two things,
1. Divya had a few words for me too. According to her,
Suvil - Successful, Shady, Gossip queen, Boss man, Pervert, and Good Father.

2. Prateek (an HR from my office), and my other office buddies (and their wives/children) were hosted by us yesterday for dinner (As a part of Holi celebration, we host/meet our friends for dinner/lunch). Prateek is getting married next year, and is seeing girls in a arranged marriage set up. We were pulling his leg that how marriage is tough, sex is tough, he will have to perform and all. Divya, somehow, was on his side stating that performance comes after a few try. It is not rocket science. She jokingly said that she would tip-off him with the best secrets of the trade, if he requires some steamy advice. Other wives too pounce on that. Needless to say, my twisted my mind started imagining things, thinking what tip she can give ? I would like to see it live! [If possible, a group helping session for Prateek with Divya, other wives and of course yours truly will be the best for all. Never gonna happen though, but a man can have his fantasies!]

[MatureCouple]

Do you think any of this talk about giving Prateek sex tips actually got his attention? Do Prateek and Divya flirt or talk privately? Would Divya actually help him practice for his upcoming wedding night? Or is it all talk and fantasy? What if you encouraged her?

So a seduction of Naman is a total no go? No possibility? Even with a real challenge from you?

It sure seems like Kaka has caught Divya's attention and interest. It sounds like she is thinking about bedding him. It already sounds like they have a close relationship. Do you think she will do it?

[thesvs_09]

Do you think any of this talk about giving Prateek sex tips actually got his attention? Do Prateek and Divya flirt or talk privately? Would Divya actually help him practice for his upcoming wedding night? Or is it all talk and fantasy? What if you encouraged her?

He was just embarrassed, and enjoying the food. It was just friendly banter. No. They do not talk privately. Divya does not use phone that much. I don't think she has ever talked on phone for more than 10 minutes to anyone (including me, and her mother too!). Her WhatsApp usage for a month would not be more than 1 hour, that too for important messages only. She is pretty old school.
I think this was all talk. But I will try to encourage her. Prateek is a good guy, pretty safe bet.

So a seduction of Naman is a total no go? No possibility? Even with a real challenge from you?

Yes. It is no. She wants a decent career as a teacher. She will not hamper her image with an affair with a student. I have talked most about Naman with her, and every time I challenge her, she gets more and more irritated. So, Naman is out of the game.

It sure seems like Kaka has caught Divya's attention and interest. It sounds like she is thinking about bedding him. It already sounds like they have a close relationship. Do you think she will do it?

Yes. Kaka seems to be new contender. I have to know about him more. This weekend I will try to find details about him.
Last night I saw chats between Divya and Kaka, which to my horror, were very short, to the point and professional. She had asked about him availability of few coursebooks for Sukanya, and he replied about it only. No other talk. Nothing. Divya's phone game is bad as I said, so unless she get to see Kaka regularly, no connection can be made.

Shreyas is still a contender. She used the word 'attractive' for him. So, I have some hope. But he is an idiot, unstable and strange person. Divya used 'toxic and nonchalant' for him - weirdly accurate to my understanding.

I have taken this as a challenge too. At least I want a one time experience, if not a lifestyle. I think scheming, observing, planning have re-sharpen my mind again (like I was in my college days), and is helping me focusing on my job better. Strange!

[MatureCouple]

How long before Naman is no longer her student? If he was no longer her student, would that put him into the realm of possibilities? You mentioned that she does like young men.

You and Divya seem to joke alot about her having sex with other men, but is it only just talk for her? Would she seriously consider bedding any of these men? And if she did bed another man, would she tell you?

When you tease about her having sex with other men, does she say she would insist on condoms or would rather take them bare? Also, does she talk about where she would have sex with them?

How about you listing the contenders in the order of likelihood of having sex with Divya, giving some physical descriptions of them and why Divya would be interested in them.

You've indicated that you would like to be present, but how realistic is that? Your presence may frighten the crap out of them.

Have you considered that the older men, like Kaka and Shreyas could use this situation to have leverage over you? A younger and less seasoned man may be safer when considering the possible ramifications.

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Dear MatureCouple, these are some thought provoking questions. I will try to answer them honestly.

How long before Naman is no longer her student? If he was no longer her student, would that put him into the realm of possibilities?

Probably a year. He is in final year of school (12th standard as we call it in India). After that he will probably go outside this town or even state for undergraduate/higher degree. So, when he is not her student, he will not be near her.

You and Divya seem to joke alot about her having sex with other men, but is it only just talk for her? Would she seriously consider bedding any of these men? And if she did bed another man, would she tell you?

Yes. We joke around a lot on literally every topic under the sun. I am in love with her humor and wittiness. Divya says her looks may not be killer, but her personality is an assassin.
I have told her about my fantasy, both jokingly and seriously. But the question is how serious she is about making it real ? I guess it is not her top 2 priority right now (first is Sukanya and second her newly started career). But she looks or seems open to opportunities.
Would she tell me if she had sex with other man ? Honestly, she usually does not lie, but can hide truth. Lie by omission. So, I cannot say that if she has sex with someone, she will come running minutes after it to tell me. But she is not into casual sex, or one night stands. These ideas disgusts her. To get into her pants, you must be very good friend with her, and chase her with good heart. I will know if she is developing some 'friendship' with someone. And if I ask point blank, she always tells truth. Hence, I have to be alert to smell if something has happened. I think I am.

When you tease about her having sex with other men, does she say she would insist on condoms or would rather take them bare? Also, does she talk about where she would have sex with them?

We have not talked that seriously what will she do and what do I want ? I mean we have not written out detailed specific rules. But I can share an anecdote. I was casually teasing her about how she was a bombshell during Akash times. She said it was mostly pregnancy hormones and Akash brought something new. I replied may be I have to make her pregnant again to release the slut Divya. "Of course darling, pregnancy will make me less fearful. One major fear will be gone." she agreed. I asked what major fear ? "Looking for morning after pills" she replied. "Oh! " I was perplexed. "Baby! You cannot get pregnant if you are already pregnant" was her explanation. "I know. But you can also use condoms" I suggested. "Hmm...Ah. Yes, I did not think of that" was her remark.
No. I do not remember us having talk about the place of sex. This I can put up with her. Personally, I think it will depend on her paramour. She is typical old school woman - With her, man has to decide everything, when/where/how is he going to have sex. Of course, she can veto anything he proposes, but she will never propose things by herself. Actually, this was one of the earliest reason why I got to this fantasy. I wanted her open and hot enough to initiate sex. Earlier in our marriage, for Divya, sex (and all other related intimate acts like kissing, fondling, groping etc.) was only a night time activity before sleep. You can say that out of 24 hours, she was my wife for 2 hours only. Remaining 22 hours, we were like roommates.

You've indicated that you would like to be present, but how realistic is that? Your presence may frighten the crap out of them.

On point! Actually to be honest, I have only jokingly told Divya that I can sit back and see you enjoying in bed with say XYZ. I have told that it would be hot to see her orgasming on sofa while I watch both TV and her. Things like that. Depending upon her mood, her responses were - "Oh! Seeing you, I would take XYZ all the way in!"; "Come on! That's creepy! You are twisted"; "Don't worry babe, I will invite you to the bed too". I am treading lightly on this one. One step at a time.
Real challenge would be convincing 'the paramour'. That is going to be tricky part. In conservative society, even suggesting something like this can get me into trouble. (e.g. The person can lose all the respect for me, and Divya too; He may think we are some scammer and ghost us; More dangerously, he can file a police complaint that I am trying to exploit/sell my wife.)

Have you considered that the older men, like Kaka and Shreyas could use this situation to have leverage over you? A younger and less seasoned man may be safer when considering the possible ramifications.

Yes. More than age, I am going for people who are junior to me in bureaucratic set up and have less financial resources. In my township, apart from Administrative Secretary and Chief Engineer, I am at third highest level. I am not going for people outside the company township. Township is itself pretty big with 30k or more people.
One Problem with naive college boys is that they brag. They brag to their friends how they seduced a hot MILF of the neighborhood. When their friends don't believe, such young boys try to collect evidences of their relationship in the form of videos, photos, etc. (usually without consent). Akash did that something similar once. Divya is very careful now in this regard. Her career will be over if she gets popularized as neighborhood/township slut, or worse whore. In fact, she does not want to become or even look 'easy'. She likes the boys to have perseverance. For her, the chase is as important as the cherry.

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How about you listing the contenders in the order of likelihood of having sex with Divya, giving some physical descriptions of them and why Divya would be interested in them.

This question is very interesting. Currently, I see three potentials (Clarification: This is not the order of ranking. I don't know the likelihood. But as an engineer, I would estimate some probability from my side just for sake.)

1. Kaka - I have seen him for 3-4 minutes in a crowded shop. Still he looks pretty much like a man approaching 60s. Half bald, with blackest black hair dye on his remaining hair and mustache. Pot belly due to too much rice eating on this side of India. Avg height I guess 5'6" or 5'7". Typical brown skin.
Honestly, I don't see why Divya could be physically attracted to him. Yesterday, during the conversation she was supportive. But I can totally see her backtracking on this one once I push something seriously.

2. Shreyas - He is slender 5'10" guy. Again typical brown Indian dude. He has hoarse and distinctive voice. It is irritating when he shouts. And being an unpredictable person, he shouts a lot. Mostly at her wife. His wife is also not so saint. Overall their relationship is pretty toxic. Toxic to the level that they will not divorce because both of them do not want the other one to be happy. He is touring enthusiast. Has gone to Jungle safaris (Central India) on his bike. He is planning to go to the Himalayas (Ladakh) for a tour. He once asked me to come along, but my bike skills are not good. I will probably fall off from 12000 ft height.
Divya has called him attractive though. He is not bad looking. I can totally see in foreign clubs, he would be called 'exotic' by the girls due to his physique, and voice. He is Naman's father. So, I don't know how far Divya can go with him. Interesting thing is that he has praised Divya on many small things while she teaches Naman. But it is more to make his wife feel bad, than to actually praise or flirt with Divya. Since, Divya also does not like his wife that much, she accepts the praises wholeheartedly. May be having a common enemy make them come closer. I don't know. But will keep an eye on.

3. Prateek - 5'7" height. Very professional dressing sense (may be because I have mostly seen him in office setting). Soft spoken. People's pleaser. Don't know about him much but he is a good young lad. Looking for girls for marriage.
It could be controversial, but I will be honest. Prateek is slightly darker in skin tone. While Divya is not racist, yet this can be a slight turn off for her. She herself is slightly dark in skin color, and undersells herself in beauty department. I disagree, she is a hot woman. However, Prateek can be closest to Akash in demeanor and what she calls her a 'boyish charm'.

Now, one can see each situation looks different and I don't know about Kaka that much. My bet is on Prateek >> Shreyas >> Kaka. I rank Prateek more because I think I can set and stir things up with Prateek more easily. I control his holidays, and office work/hours. I can try to make them meet. From my perspective, Prateek could be best bet. Shreyas is chaotic, and so is his life. Kaka is the new entrant, and from his reputation looks like a family guy.

[MatureCouple]

Thank you very much. It helps to understand who are the "players". This will be getting very interesting!